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Old 01-01-2010, 03:23 PM   #1
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k1 and 1099 for LLC income?

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Hi,

I'm trying to determine the way that my income from my LLC should be identified for the 2009 tax year. Here is the situation:

I am 49% owner.
I work about 1500 hours per year for the LLC
If I determine my per hour value is $35/hr that comes out to $52,500 that I would think I owe self-employment tax on.

The difference in what I have been paid out by the LLC should be taxed but no self employment tax? How is this identified by the LLC. Is it two lines on the K1 or can I get a K1 for the taxable/non self employment income and a 1099 for the other?

The reason I am asking is if what self employment on what I worked (52,500) but total received from the LLC (250,000) if I had to pay self employment tax on the entire amount I'd basically being taxed for earning $201/hr?

TIA, Jeff

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Old 01-01-2010, 05:07 PM   #2
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you operate as part of mamangment of the LLC I presume??

The LLC is filing as a partnership?? and the business is NOT a passive actvity of some sort to you... or a reaL estate activity???

if that is the case....where s the probem here??

If all the above is correct---ther is no question the entire pass through earnngs are self employment earnings.

Question -- you have 250k (assumed cash money ) available to you from your efforts ... not investments of capital or activity in some statutorially excluded activity like Real estate.....why would that NOT be self employment income?

35 an hour is a staw man---no bearing on anything other than to obfuscate.
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Old 01-01-2010, 05:19 PM   #3
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Thanks Skier............ I knew that was probably the answer. And the cap would probably make splitting it up a moot point anyway.

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you operate as part of mamangment of the LLC I presume??

The LLC is filing as a partnership?? and the business is NOT a passive actvity of some sort to you... or a reaL estate activity???

if that is the case....where s the probem here??

If all the above is correct---ther is no question the entire pass through earnngs are self employment earnings.

Question -- you have 250k (assumed cash money ) available to you from your efforts ... not investments of capital or activity in some statutorially excluded activity like Real estate.....why would that NOT be self employment income?

35 an hour is a staw man---no bearing on anything other than to obfuscate.
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Old 01-02-2010, 05:31 PM   #4
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Ditto what Ski said. However, here are some additional thoughts. An LLC is, in every state that I know of, a seperate and distinct legal entity(person). The LLC enters into valid, enforceable, contracts and the relationship, e.g. employer/employee, debtor creditor, etc., are recognized by all concerned including IRS (the government). In fact, in U.S. Treasury Regulations 1.7701-3 the government clearly states that the entity (LLC) can be disregarded (as a seperate entity) and reported as a branch operation of the owner (MEMBERS). So, if the LLC employs the individuals they are reported on employment tax returns and the wages and employument taxes are deducted to arrive at net income of the LLC. The LLC then is reported on, say a partnership that had the membership contribuited to it by the individuals, as a branch operation of the partnership in accordance with the regulations. This way the section 199 deduction/credit applies if the business makes a product. Food for thought. If you have to pay employment tax, or SE tax, anyway why not look for some advantages? What about other employee benefits, such as group term life insurance, pensions, etc. Ski? Your thoughts?
Partners cannot be employees of the partnership just as sole proprietors cannot be employees of their own businesses, but members of an LLC can be employees of the LLC and in some states, if not all, "active members" (or managing members) are treated as if they are in an employee/employer relationship with the LLC. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, for the IRS to ignor or negate this legal relationship. I know of two cases where the IRS has take opposite points of view on these issues. I hope at least one of them goes to trial so we can have some precidence to follow. Maybe Congress will address the issues? NOT anytime soon.
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